Posts by Open mind

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The List, by "Prominent Bethelite"

by morloc in

i occasionally pop through here to catch up on the latest, but this time i'm going to pop my own post on here.. some of you internet oldsters may even remember this.

my first experience on the internet regarding discussions about jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower took place on a now-obscure usenet group, before i eventually stumbled across hourglass2.. during those days, there was a poster who went by the name "prominent bethelite," an otherwise anonymous individual whom i remember most for an extensive, exhaustive compilation of date-oriented remarks, predictions, and expectations by the watchtower organization down through the decades of its history.. it became known as "the list" and it's definitely lengthy... but a fascination look at the abundance of errant statements made through the watchtower's history.. if you're curious, it's been available for a long time on hourglass2's site, and can be seen using the link provided below.. the list, compiled by prominent bethelite (1999).

that's about it for this stop through here.

Open mind

marked with great appreciation

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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage

by wisdomfrombelow in

the article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.

they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.

perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.

Open mind

And perhaps the WT's greatest Vizzini imitation was with regard to the resurrection of the residents of Sodom.

If memory serves, they have taken TEN different arbitrary stances on this earth-shattering topic.

om

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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage

by wisdomfrombelow in

the article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.

they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.

perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.

Open mind

marked

Thanks for the info.

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

Open mind

For me, one of the strongest bits of evidence that the whole "new light" concept was fatally flawed was in regard to whether or not the residents of Sodom would receive a resurrection.

Last time I checked there's not a huge contingency of long lost relatives of those who were destroyed in Sodom who are banging on the Governing Body's doors begging that they get a resurrection. It's one of those theological questions that's fairly academic and most people probably won't get too worked up about it either way.

But the Watchtower has flip-flopped on this question TEN(count 'em) TEN times. There was no time pressure on the WT to make these flip-flops. It was just stupid.

om

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Any tips for safe web surfing?

by compound complex in

greetings to all who surf shark-infested internet waters.. after i was hit by ransomware the other day, i did research on so-called safe sites.

it seems more and more sites are being infected deliberately by hackers.

i went to a legit-looking site on a famous artist and -- wham!

Open mind

JW.ORG SAFE

(runs)

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My daughter's wedding dilemma

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my daughter will be getting married this coming august.

she and her future husband are not jehovah's witnesses.

they will have a non-religious wedding ceremony.

Open mind

A JW relative of mine attended the funeral of his mother at the K Hall. There was a meal that followed at her house. It was a cold, damp, drizzly day. He sat with his plate outside at a picnic table so the religious fanatics inside wouldn't "even eat a meal" with such a man.

I was a young boy at the time and had to have it recounted to me by my DFed, gay, older brother.

Chris Hitchens said something to the effect that if you want people to commit GREAT evil, you need to include religion.

om

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"Only if you get a court order." wink, wink

by rebel8 in

recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order.. yet another person, with no connection to dubs and no motive to make this up, saying this same thing.

interesting.. i'm surprised the thought police have not come out with an article saying jehoopla reads the hearts and judges as bloodguilty those who are relieved when forced to take blood..

Open mind

Uh, rebel8, I think we're probably talking right past each other here.

This quote from the link you posted confirms my earlier assertion:

"Generally, it is only when the child’s life is at risk that the weighing of interests favors the child and the government authority that is asserting the child’s rights."

Bottom line, if to a "reasonable degree of medical certainty" the kid's going to die without a blood transfusion, the whining JW parents can go pound sand while the ER docs give them blood to save their life. That's the reality in urban, Western, ERs that have access to judges willing to sign off 24/7 to save a kid's life.

If the kid's gonna die, the cult can suck it and the kid's gonna live.

Am I missing something here?

om

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Governing Bodies Secret Elder's training video on suicide leaked

by Watchtower-Free in

watchtower minions have pulled down jwsurveys links .

here's another one .. the gb should be held liable for this crap.

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cvas6fcrc9zca94/shepherding_instructional_suicidal_widow.avi.

Open mind

marked

Thanks Watchtower-Free !!

om

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That does it ! I'm leaving ! ! !

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

jw
friends

leaving the university with my degree!.

exams are finished and it's just a matter of days before i walk.. i was certainly stressed about doing this.

i'm older than my classmates and armageddon was sooooo close!

Open mind

Well done Billy. On all levels!

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"Only if you get a court order." wink, wink

by rebel8 in

recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order.. yet another person, with no connection to dubs and no motive to make this up, saying this same thing.

interesting.. i'm surprised the thought police have not come out with an article saying jehoopla reads the hearts and judges as bloodguilty those who are relieved when forced to take blood..

Open mind

Ahhh.... Got it.

Thanks rebel8.

I would imagine we're talking about situations where the child needs blood soon, but not necessarily immediately. My understanding is that, at least in most of the U.S., if a child needs an emergency transfusion due to being in an automible accident, they get it. Now. The squawking of their cult-member parents is just an annoying bit of background noise in the ER.

om